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Is sport fishing for fish that we cannot keep legally, or simply don't want to keep, a "good idea?" Should it be encouraged or discouraged? Is targeting large redfish or black drum that are likely to breed a "good idea?" These questions have arisen here recently. Debate is a healthy thing. Remember, everyone has an opinon, and we do not always have to agree. Quote: Although I choose not to target oversize reds or tarpon or giant black drum or jewfish or a variety of other regulated species of fish, that's just my personal choice. I don't think it's fun ... that's just me. A lot of people do think it's fun, sporting, and exciting. They are the sport anglers. We see them every week on TV catching and releasing all sorts of fish, whether they are legal to keep or not. There's nothing wrong with sport angling, even for bull reds at the jetties, in and of itself. That does not mean I think sport fishing is exactly perfect either. There are a few things that I think are wrong, and I think many of us see these things happening all too frequently. I'm not implying that anyone on this board does these things. Unfortunately, not everyone is as experienced or knowledgeable as the members here. Here's a list of things that I see people doing wrong: 1) Improper release- how many times have we seen a giant red improperly released and exhausted for the sharks? Lots. 2) Improper rigging- hooks that gut intead of jaw hook. Circle hooks really help. 3) Improper tackle- line and rods that are too light to get the job done. Either lots of fish break off trailing long leders or they are released too fatigued to get away from the sharks. 4) Poaching- That was the subject of a recent post about the bust of a boat with 20 oversize reds on board at Mayport. It's sad but true that I can't tell you how many people have "bragged" to me about having kept as many reds as they could catch and/or oversized ones. It happens a LOT from private docks at night. 5) Dead release- Killing a fish just for a photo opportunity or a weigh-in just isn't right. Note: These things don't just happen with redfish at the jetties or the giant black drum. It happens with other species as well and in other places. Giant breeder black drum are a frequent source of controversy. I would like to catch one for sport one day, but just one. If I do, I guarantee I will do it in a way that ensures the survival of the fish to the best of my ability and to the best of its ability. It will be a fair fight and also a fair chance at survival. On another subject, if I happen to find myself in the middle of a school of giant reds, I will leave them alone. Friday night, I actually moved to a different spot after catching one out of a school. Yes, I caught one, hoping it was a shark or ray. He was fun. Back he went, in excellent condition. Why did I move to another spot instead of catching more? I could have sat there and caught one after another "trophy fish" and posted a report that I caught "x" number of monster reds. I did not. I moved on to another spot Friday night because I knew I was on top of a school of breeding-size fish. I could hear them. After they moved in, I moved on. I want to see redfish populations increase here in North Florida. One way for me to help the redfish is not to disturb them when I know big ones are schooling up, hopefully for breeding. Another thing I do is that I stop catching and releasing slot fish (reds and trout) after a few fish. There have been nights in Mill Cove where I could have nailed reds all night long. I take my limit of one, maybe fight a few more for sport, and then I either target something else or quit. You will never, ever see me post a report that I caught and released 20, or 30 or any number like that of whatever fish. I don't find it fun, but that's just me. There are a lot of anglers who do find it fun and sporting to catch and release as many fish as they can, and I certainly don't condemn it as long as it is done right so the fish have a chance. Here is an example of members doing it right from a recent post by member fishingfool: Quote: There's the right idea. Unfortunately, I wrote a post not too long ago suggesting lighter tackle to fight big reds. I was wrong, and if I can find that post, I intend to change it. Use the right tackle for the job. Is sport fishing good for a lot of people? Yes. Is sport fishing good for the economy? Yes. Do I do it? Yes, sometimes. Do I have some self-imposed rules that I hope will be my personal way of helping out a little? Definitely. There also are two other changes that I intend to make in my own fishing: 1) Increased use of circle hooks to avoid gut hooking, and 2) Purchase of a long pair of wire cutters so when I do gut hook a red or trout or whatever fish, at least I can reach in and cut the hook itself. The less metal embedded in the fish, the better. Hook disgorgers are great, but let me tell you, it's not always possible, nor is it always best, to get that hook out. Another thing is that I quit using stainless hooks and leaders a long time ago. Also, I NEVER lift a gut hooked fish by the line. I make these personal changes for the good of the fishery. Food for thought. Just my $0.02 worth. Second Chance |
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Second Chance, Good post. I only hope that those of you who are true sport fishermen (and women) realize responsbilities go along with being just thst. I'm not trying to pat myself on the back but, Let me tell you about a couple of things about myself. I have seen many changes through the years that have had an impact on me. I have seen fishing go from over abundance to next to empty, wasted days on the water. Anyone who has fished for many years has seen this transpire. I almost gave it all up. Long ago here in Jacksonville (15 years or more), My wife and I would fish the river from downtown to the jetties. I found an alarming number of trout and puppy drum with open festering sores on them. This led me to contact the powers to be about it. I still have pictures that I sent to the FWC and City officials. I wanted some answers. After all, We were eating some of the trout that we caught. I really never got any straight answers about what was going on but, I was told that the fish were ok to eat. We stopped fishing the river after that. Something had to be impacting those fish. We started fishing the ICW and near shore spots. Never found any fish there that were sick. I have my own opinions on what was going on but, My point is that I did something about it. I spoke up. Now on to gill nets. Do I need to say more. Nothing has impacted our sport more than them, I believe. I could go on and on about this. I spoke out on the issue. I freshwater fish and hunt also at times. I joined BASS many years ago as a life member and firmly believe that hey have a big voice. All you have to do is read some articles in Bassmaster magazine and Bass Times. This may be upstream for a lot of you but water does run down hill. Kudos to Second chance for what he said about proper fishing methods. Maybe we all can enjoy our different styles of fishing. I believe that with proper handling, The big Reds can go on and breed as they should with nothing hurt but their pride. My whole point is, Look beyond your nose to see the whole picture. My $00.02 worth. |
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sorry to revive old post but.....i was fishing offshore some years back and we were out around NM and with it being that close you can catch anything at any time , we caught a huge flounder that day, but we also caught what i believe is the biggest red i have ever seen although now that i read it might have been a red drum, i thought it was a red, but it had to of been 48 inches easy and felt like darn near 50+ pounds, and we were bottom fishing offshore, you dont expect to catch a red or flounder fishing offshore like that, at least i didnt....your prolly wondering, yes we removed the hook and set the red back in the water and watched it swim away...but this is an instance where anything can happen, it wasnt are fault we caught it...but yes you are right targeting them even if its for the fight should not happen |
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The topic of proper handling has been brought up by SC. All interested in this subject and anybody that fishes should take a look at the Goliath Grouper and the way the rules defines proper catch and release, I copied this from MyFWC.com: Another FWC rule defines the proper catch and release techniques for all reef fishes, including goliath groupers. It states that "Harvest means the catching or taking of a fish by any means whatsoever, followed by a reduction of such fish to possession. Fish that are caught but immediately returned to the water free, alive and unharmed are not harvested. In addition, temporary possession of a fish for the purpose of measuring it to determine compliance with the minimum size requirements shall not constitute harvesting such fish, provided that it is measured immediately after taking, and immediately returned to the water free, alive and unharmed if undersized." The latter part of the above definition describes temporary possession for the purpose of measuring for compliance of size requirements. Since the harvest of goliath groupers is prohibited, there is no reason to measure the fish, except for scientific purposes. Because of this, the release of the fish must be immediate. The skeletal structure of large goliath grouper cannot adequately support their weight out of the water without some type of damage. If a large goliath grouper is brought on-board a vessel it is likely to sustain some form of internal injury. Thus, if the fish is harmed it could be considered harvested by definition. As stewards of our resources, this is something we should avoid. It also means the fish is "harvested" according to the rules, and goliath groupers may not be harvested. Removing smaller goliath groupers from the water to remove hooks is not necessarily a bad practice, but this process must be done with care, using proper fish handling techniques, and as expeditiously as possible. WPTV The taking of photographs after removal of hooks and posing for pictures with goliaths is not considered an immediate release of the fish. End copied material from FWC website My point is a 36"+ Redfish is obviously Oversized!! Could this definition be extended to include the large Redfish? Or other obvious out of slot fish, then again what is obvious. Better yet who cares just revive and release the fish without taking it out of the water. |
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eardor, You could say the same about Tarpon, catch and release freshwater trout rivers and the like but, the bottom line is responsibility with what you do. Do the research to know how to do the bladder thing if it's what is needed for an errant Goliath or anything else that comes from the deep. Learn proper handling so that you do not cause internal damage or loss of slime. I am still learning and have made mistakes in the past. Don't apologize for an important post.You sound like the kind of guy to fish with. Good luck and tight lines. |
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thank you for the kind words, we will have to fish together some day....im along the lines of "second chances" and more then likely most of the people on heres beliefs, if what i catch isnt size legal i release it, if i already have my bag limit i release it..i should try and practice the air bladder thing...i fish for the sport(i know alot of people that eat fish, so i do it for them, i share what i catch with people, mainly people who dont have a chance to go offshore and catch fish or cant afford 10$ a pound at the store for fish) mainly because i am allergic to fresh fish(i break out in bumps and itch and all that fun stuff) |
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I spend most of my time inshore with my Jon boat as of late. Have found some good spots and techniques. The Jon is really cheap in these gas times. Would enjoy fishing with you sometime as I would Second Chance again only inshore. Our last outing was an adventure. |
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i will definitely send you a message sometime, im an offshore guy, so if your up for it |
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Don't have and offshore boat but have equipment to troll and bottom. Check my pics. |
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i sent you a message |
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I'm glad to see this old thread is getting some new attention. There is a wealth of information here on this board that you just won't find elsewhere. Please spend some time browsing the older posts. You never know what you might find. Quote: Fishing? What's that? I can't remember the last time I went fishing anywhere (honestly, please tell me when it was). And I own my own inshore boat! UGH! The economy sucks for me and so does my low-paying job. Anyone who is looking for a "boat ho" and someone with a little local knowledge, please offer SC a free ofshore trip.
As for inshore, I can go any time I want in my own boat, but I don't go any more. I've lost interest in inshore. My fishing license is expired, and I haven't even bothered to renew it.
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SC, Call me. Still have my#? Go a spot I would show you. |
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Sent back, Been away from pute. |